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And what ‘consequence’ are you referring to if the dog does not understand your first warning sound or word?
Your arguments are well laid out, but still sadly flawed. We do not have any hope of communicating like dogs to our dogs and communicating using compliance serves only to stress us and to stress our dogs. Who would you rather be with? Someone who treats us kindly or someone who ‘jabs’ at us when we are fearful, worried or feeling threatened? It serves to do nothing, but harm in the first instance and further harm as it continues.
Dogs do not dole out forced compliance by the way. They attempt other methods first of all – and those are the ones the ‘new age’ (as you call them) trainers try to recreate to make our dogs feel happier and safer.
Anyone that has experienced raising a litter or two of Border collies would certainly experience how dogs use force as a means of achieving compliance. They certainly use the operants in conditioning of giving warnings that if go unheeded often times result in a physical consequence.
Why anyone would suggest otherwise is possibly blinded to reality or an agenda.
It is my experience and understanding of life that with dogs or humans stress is a natural part (reflex) of learning in many cases. Harm comes in many forms especially if certain behaviors are allowed to occur or continue under certain circumstances.
The 4 quadrants in operant conditioning have there beneficial places when used correctly,effectively, and properly. For some, it obviously depends on which operants one chooses to use or chooses to draw a line in the sand in not using for any given situation or absolutely not in ANY situation. I tend to shy away from the usage of absolutes.
thanks, Dr Ha, for an excellent article –
and to fellow trainers, particularly TRULY DOG-FRIENDLY members, ciao! (G)
when i began training my first pup over 40-years ago, i used a convertible collar: leather tabs to buckled it to fit, with a running-choke or still-chain option.
well, i don’t use chokes anymore – or prongs or shock, or leash-jerks AKA corrections, or many other aversives that i am told we NEED or the dog NEEDS.
and i have not used them in over 30-years.
shocking as it is to me, my mentor in the 1960s was *never* as forceful, confrontational or aversive AKA punitive as CM/DW or the cross-border similar phenomenon, the Canadian-TV ‘coach’.
amazingly, the dogs that i work with are often what could be dramatically described as RED ZONE – oh, my heavens! how terrifying — and yet their pet-owning, non-pro-trainer families succeed with B-Mod very nicely, thanks.
no rolls, pins, yanks, pokes, ‘taps’/with the foot, ‘bites’/with the hand, etc, are needed; nobody gets flooded; exposure is always monitored and gradual.
any person who an READ their dog, and other dogs, can do this –
safely, humanely, and without the drama or trauma.
JMO + IME; happy training, thoughtful B-Mod,
– terry
terry pride, APDT-Aus, apdt#1827, CVA, TDF
Most of the so called all positive (primarily positive/no physical corrections) pro trainers that I have met often suggest putting dogs to sleep that they cannot rehab with one sided methods. They WILL NOT recommend other trainers to their clients that have a outstanding track records of rehabbing such dogs with alternative approaches. It does not take much research to see that this is a widely shared behavior from the so called ‘all positive” folks.
I know because I almost had 2 of my dogs put to sleep because of this mentality.
This tells me something regardless of all of the claims and opinions on what methods are RIGHT for the dog.
Six years ago at the age of 43 I had NO experience with dogs and was afraid of many. To make a long story short, my sons wanted a dog, we did our research and purchased our first at that time. A friend recommended the book Cesar’s Way. Loved the book and have read everyone of his books since. Used many of his techniques. Six years later, our family consists of 5 dogs, I have been a volunteer foster home for several rescues and still am, I own and operate a successful pet sitting services which includes in-home boarding and doggy daycare. I have re-homed hundreds of dogs and rehabilitated many. The breeds I mostly foster are Rottweilers, Mastiffs and Pit Bulls and I also evaluate dogs for the local shelter and the rescue. I have helped many clients with their own dog’s behaviors. How? Through Cesar’s techniques. I’ve never had to roll a dog and most of the time he hasn’t either. It is human nature to pick and choose the things in which we disagree with, but he has done countless good in the rescue community and with the uneducated dog owner. Personally, I love positive reinforcement training and believe that all our interactions should be done so in the most humane way possible. But for people like myself, who take in dogs whose triggers I don’t know right off the bat or who has over 10 dogs daily to contend with, his teaching on calm assertiveness can not be beat. I have met many dogs that are obedience trained beautifully (pr training) but have behavioral issues.
Great website are you on fb?